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The epic cross-over is on its way!

Going to take me a while to catch-up on all the Arrowverse shows in preparation for it, but I usually watch these things way after most everyone else, lol.

Batwoman and Black Lightning are the two who will probably be the most confused, as multiverse stuff is something the others are used to.
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A teaser.....just like a matryoshka doll! :D
Interesting, teasing ....snippets!

The airing dates:
Supergirl, Dec 8
Batwoman, Dec 9
The Flash, Dec 10
....nail-biting cliffhanger....
Arrow, Jan 14
Legends of Tomorrow, Jan 14
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I'm looking forward in great anticipation to this one! Especially for Batwoman and all the big changes it brings to the Arrowverse.
The Arrow might not be the only one .... :(
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You would be correct. it is likely that more than one character will be knocked off. My bet is Brandon Routh's Superman (the Kingdom Come version featured in the clip) will be a casualty. There may be others as well. :o
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In the past I thought the Legends of Tomorrow would end with this crossover. But they are just starting their season with it.
I still have the weird/bad feeling that it might hit another "big" one.... Flash or Supergirl.
Flash has the best ratings on the the CW which leaves.....
That would made a huge IMPACT on the arrowverse and the fans! :o
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P.S.: Some promo pictures in a video....but PLEASE turn off the speakers before you watch it! ;)
Otherwise your health is in danger.....

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More news on the crossover!

Here is the poster:

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Seems like Batwoman got the best spot! :)
But weird that they used that old promo picture of her....she doesn't even have that cowl anymore.
She has a new cowl since episode 3, the one from this poster was only seen in the last years crossover (and some promos).
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Well, last years crossover was already big, but THIS one takes it to a whole new level!
So thrilled to see what will happen to the Arrowverse!
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And another teaser:



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The FINAL trailer is here:



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What do you folks think about it?
Let's hear it, the keyboard in front of you can be used for typing.... :o
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So, I've binged watched all the episodes of the other three shows, so I know who's who when Crisis airs.

I haven't seen any discussion specifically about the "keys" that Wells uses to open the portal (that scene that we see at the end of the final pre-Crisis episode of all four shows). Maybe it's obvious to everyone else, but I had to look at it a bit. The trailers tell us that there are seven heroes who can stop the Crisis. There are seven symbols. Clearly one symbol for each of the seven heroes. For clarity, let's number them A thru G, left to right.
Notice the order in which Wells taps them... if we line those up with the order of the shows on which the episodes air, and throw in the missing shows, here's what I think the symbols mean:
F - Supergirl (Superman?)
B - Batwoman (Batman?)
C - Flash
G - Arrow
A - Legends (White/Black Canary?)
D - Black Lightning
E - ??? (Stargirl?)

Anyone have alternate ideas, thoughts?
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Welcome to the forum!
Haven't seen the first episode yet, will do it later today.
Interesting thoughts.... but you only have 5 shows, but 7 symbols. I guess there is a specific order in which the heroes will enter the crossover or have do do certain things to save the Multiverse. I don't think that the order of which the shows air will have something to do with that.
But honestly I'm just guessing now, maybe we will know already more after the first episode.
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Looks like we know now who the paragons are ;)
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And here my thoughts about parts 1-3:

[SPOILERS ahead, I recommend that you watch the episodes before you continue!]
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“General”:
The big Crossover has finally arrived and the battle of the Multiverse has started. What will happen to all this worlds? And who will die to save the Mutliverse?
I have now seen the first 3 episodes from the Crisis Crossover and wanna review them in one post here. After the last 2 episodes have aired on January 14....I will edit this post so that it will be my review of the complete Crossover. I will keep it shorter as usual for now as the Crossover isn't finished yet and of course much will change with the last 2 parts.

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My highlights from these episodes (parts 1-3)...without any special order:

1 – The cameos! For me it was especially great to see Kevin Conroy as an old, -turned evil- Batman...and Ashley Scott as Huntress! Tom Welling ("Smallville";), Burt Ward (Robin), Wil Wheaton and Robert Wuhl (Alexander Knox in the old Batman movies) were also great additions.

2 – All these heroes teaming up! There were already Crossovers in the past, but nothing of this scale! Great to see how they interact with each other, especially Batwoman/Kate with Kara and Lex.

3 – Unexpected twists! Well, the fact that Oliver would die in the Crisis wasn't a surprise, but that he sacrificed himself at the end of part 1 was a BIG surprise. Also that they tried to get him resurrected and failed with that.

4 – Crossover jokes! And I mean the jokes ABOUT the crossover. Like: "Ignore him, that is his first Crossover!" :-)

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Ok, first of all, in general I prefer heroes without superpowers and heroes that doesn't have a big team around them. Like Arrow in the early seasons.

But once in while it's enjoyable for me to have such a BIG team-fight event like this one. And this one is the biggest one I witnessed/will witness (part 4+5)... on TV so far.

I do NOT know the comic Crisis on Infinite Earths. And I won't read it now because of the possible spoilers. So I don't have a clue how close this TV crossover is to the the comics.

And now some unsorted thoughts on parts 1-3:

-- Some of the camera work was outstanding (below normal) for me, especially in the fight scenes with the shadow demons....really cool camera tracking as the camera moves swiftly around the heroes.

-- Oliver's end was itself very unspectacular since it wasn't shown, some of these demons hit him.....he runs out of ammo and starts to run toward them....cut. The rest has to come from the imagination. His last moments with the other heroes was done really well, even it could be more emotional for me as I thought, maybe he comes back, gets resurrected by someone...there are quite some possibilties. After all the death in the Arrowverse isn't often as "final" as it normally is. ;-)

-- The jokes were quite good for most of the times! Only in one case I rolled with my eyes...as the crying baby interrupted the speech from the monitor for several times....

-- In the fight with the demons you could easily spot (at one point) one of the stuntdoubles for Batwoman, even with the mask on ...as she jumps around in one take.

-- The scene were Batwoman unmasks herself before the other heroes was very interesting for me! Batwoman started with a major mistake by calling Supergirl "Kara", not a move without risk to call a hero by her real name like that in fornt of a big audience. The unmasking was the usual cheating method with magically disapearing eye paint and the cowl was already off as they showed Batwoman transforming into Kate. I don't think you can pull off that cowl as easy as it looked.

-- The talk between the 2046 version of Oliver and Sara was very important to show his importance and give him a proper goodbye. Really like the dialogue between them

-- Kate and Kara have some great scenes in these parts. Their visit to evil Batman Kevin Conroy was my personal highlight so far. He really showed how a hero can go completely off the rails and becomes one the monsters he was fighting against all the time. The mansion had a great atmosphere.

-- It was nice to see Mia's new Arrow costume! I really hope it comes with a mask in the new show, even she hadn't one so far.

-- The "sixpack"-version of Luke was an interesting contrast to the tech-nerd Luke from the Batwoman show

-- Also really liked the scenes between Kate and Lex.  Best moment: "Lex: and you are? -- Kate: new, and unfriendly!" :-)

-- As much as I enjoyed to see Ashley Scott as Huntress again...her scene was so short and due to the red/orange skies, you couldn't get a really good look at her.

-- It seems like Black Lightning is now offically introduced into the Arrowverse, that was about time!

-- I really like the score in this one. Some above average tracks especially when it comes to Oliver and Batman's mansion.

-- I hope that there will be more good action scenes in the other 2 parts. The fight with the SupermEn was unspectacular, but ok for TV. The fight with the demon was nice, but they were just random CGI monster which just fly into someone as a attack...not SO interesting. Looking forward to the fight with the Anti-monitor and hopefully some powerful allies(?).

-- The scenes with Kate and Kara and the Kryptonite were good. I liked how Kate stopped Kara from using the book and thereby maybe sealing the fate of everyone.

The fact that Kate still has the Kryptonite....could be nice hint for a possible conflict between them in the future! Batman and Superman had their problems with each other sometimes....why shouldn't it be different between Batwoman and Supergirl. Although I think that Kara's and Kate's bond is VERY strong.

-- At the end of part 3 it seems that all efforts were pretty much for nothing. Oliver sacrificed himself to rescue people who were killed some hours later as the wave destroyed their new home planet.

----> After seeing the 3 parts and the trailer for the last 2 my main question is how the Crossover will really affect the Arrowverse!

For example Black Lighting: His family and all he knows is dead now! His TV show couldn't really go on after that. So, I believe that a lot of the bad things that happened so far ...will be reversed somehow. Some of the heroes have died already and will die in the other 2 episodes. I don't expect one of the "big" heroes to die, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if a certain character would die to save the Multiverse.

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So folks, now it's your turn!
What are your thoughts on the crossover so far?
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and now my thoughts on part 4 and 5 of the crossover:

[WATCH the episodes before you read this!]
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[WATCH the episodes before you read this!]


My highlights from the episodes 4 and 5...without any special order:

1 - The ending! The ending made me verrrry curious about how it will affect each show. Hoes does the new "order" change things? And how for whom?

Well I guess we will know in about a week from now!

2 - Flashbacks! It was very cool to revisiting iconic moments in the history of some of the shows.

3 - A proper farewell for the Arrow! As Oliver even died twice in the Crossover, there was enough time to give him a proper farewell. Especially in the last episode with the glass cabinet and the flame and also the empty spot at the table.

4 - More Crossover jokes! Some really funny or iconic lines like: "Do you capes every watch a movie?" - "Up, up and away!" - "Was that a crossover we were invited to?" (something like that) - "I don't want my kids to watch that show" (something like that)

I was disappointed how less screentime Batwoman/Kate got in the last episodes and in general. Supergirl, the Flash and Arrow were the main roles for the last episodes. Batwoman/Kate had only a few single lines and wasn't really shown in combat. And I would say that most of these action scenes were performed by her stunt doubles.

You can clearly enjoy the Crossover better if you have seen all the episodes of the shows so far. Especially these flashback moments. That was rewarding for the long time fans! :-)

Lex Luthor is now the big boss of the DEO. He knows all secret or most secret identities of these heroes. Will he take advantage of that? Wonder how all this will continue!

These shadow demons weren't really interesting/cool as enemies. Completely CGI and too easily to beat.

And the anti-monitor wasn't a really interesting villain. Like most of the times when they need a villain to find so many heroes.

I really love the fact that they now are all on ONE earth!

The justice league table at the end offers a lot of possibilities for the future! When and how will they team up? Against whom? Will we see more crossovers in the future? Perhaps even with "only" two members like in the early days of the Arrowverse?


General rating:
3.5 out of 5 - Good Crossover with big consequences!
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I was also VERY disappointed in the lack of screen time for Batwoman in part 5. And yeah, I'm pretty certain that all the ground fight scenes were a stunt double - most likely a budget constraint, and they probably didn't know how popular she was going to be when they were filming the episodes. But they did establish that Kate and Kara are becoming friends outside of "work" (sitting on the couch in Kara's apartment watching the President's speech).

What I found most irritating, tho, was the beginning of the scene back at Arrow HQ just after Sara rescues Ryan Choi, she says "Barry, J'onn, Supergirl and Batlady are gathering the troops." Huh? "Batlady"?!? Seriously?!? Did the writer's do that intentionally? Did Caity blow the line and no one caught it? It's even in the closed captioning! WTF?!? :o
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Regarding the Batlady thing:
I would say that was just Sara making a joke. Or perhaps it's her nickname for Batwoman.
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