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In this topic we can get a little creative!
What storylines would you like to see in future episodes?
You can take storylines from the comics too if you like.
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I would like to see more of "Jacob VS Batwoman"!
The relationsship between Jacob and Kate/Batwoman is a very interesting plot for me.
He hates Batwoman...but he loves Kate.
He always mentions how much he dislikes Batwoman and what she stand for.
But so far, he doesn't do much about it!
Ok, the Crows show up on some crime scenes where Batwoman often is, but that's about it.
He didn't really try to trap her, to capture her...so far.
Would love to see a fight scene with him and Batwoman (and not only a nightmare from Alice where that happens) where he tries to unmask her. If Jacob would find out who Batwoman is...it would have devastating effects.
Therefore Batwoman must do everything to prevent that from happening.
And that's why I think it would be very interesting to see Jacob trying to capture/unmask Batwoman.
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Well, let's see... (I assume you mean different from the ones they've already teased us with?)

I don't know the comic well enough to pick a villain storyline I'd like to see in live action. I'm just thoroughly enjoying the ride so far! :D

That said, Alice becoming Red Alice (who will be the Big Villain, then?!?)

Kate finding her soul mate (and said soulmate NOT dying!) and being happily married thru the end of the show's run. After the shitstorm Kate's been thru this year, she deserves some happiness. What can I say, I'm a hopeless romantic!

Less of a storyline, but I'd like to see more references to the other Arrowverse characters/events, and indeed, other DC characters (Wonder Woman, Fantastic Four (hmm, wouldn't THAT make an interesting series!)). It doesn't have to be full-on crossovers, but just a nod that they exist, like Kara Danver's name on the CatCo cover (they have done it on the other shows), or even a quick cameo. I know this is Batwoman's freshman season, so they are probably NOT referencing them on purpose. But next season, definitely. And, yeah, more crossovers. :D

Speaking of crossovers, some encounters with aliens and meta-humans. Maybe an alien informant that Batwoman saves from being mugged (comic relief?), or something. I mean, all the aliens and meta-humans can't all be living in National City and Central City, right?

RE: Jacob vs Batwoman - remember, they did duke it out in ep#106, after Jacob killed the Executioner (plot hole: how did she get out of that locked courtroom without the Crows nabbing her?!?). I've noticed in a couple of recent episodes, Vesper Fairchild saying that the Crows had apprehended the episode's villain, with no mention of Batwoman, even tho we know she was the one that did all the dirty work. I think Jacob is not vehement about catching Batwoman, because he's too busy right now trying to rebuild the Crows reputation, and he is (grudgingly?) taking credit where it's not due. At some point, Jacob will discover the truth, of course, but it'll likely be another season or three before that happens. Caroline Dries likes lots of personal angst for her characters, and this is prime real estate, so I think you'll get your wish here, Siggi!

Storylines I do *NOT* want to see:

The return of Batman. Seriously. Bruce, okay, but not as Batman.

Kate becoming an alcoholic/drug addict. She's been hitting that bottle pretty hard since Cartwright!
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Yeah, Kate surely deserves happiness....the question is if she should get it on a long run;)
I think like with Batman.....a cloud of tragic and bitterness may surround her as well. I don't think it would be good for the show if she had a long-term relationsship where she is happy most of the time.
I like the dark atmosphere and it would be strange for me if she battles some villains at night and then comes back to her beloved for the breakfast. ;) :D
And of course I have to bring up Arrow and Olicity. I don't know how many % think it was a good idea to bring them together like that and... often...very much focus on their relationsship than on crime fighting.
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Yeah, I would like some more references to other DC characters as well. These easter eggs (like with Joker) always generate interest....
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Uh, about encounters with aliens and meta-humans. Well, so far the show was pretty much "realistic" in comparison to the other Arrowverse shows. And I think that is a good think. Sure there was the crossover and the new Beth showing up, but besides that that kept it pretty realistic most of the time. I mean even Nocturna wasn't a "real" vampire in the show. I think they should keep the "fantasy" elements to the crossovers when they bring in Supergirl to fight alongside with Batwoman.
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I do remember the fight between Jacob and Batwoman. But that was long ago. And yeah, the Crows are often busy with other things, but as he really passionately hates vigilantes, I do expect more confrontation between them. I mean that wasn't a planned encounter between them. But yeah, there will be more interactions between them...sooner or later. And I actually do hope that she can preserve that secret for quite a while. I just would like scenes with them where he gets close(r) to uncovering the truth.... scenes where Batwoman can barely escape the Crows.
And regarding the plot hole you mentioned: See, for me... that isn't really a plot hole. After all Batwoman safed his life as the gas flooded the room. It would be pretty normal that he would let her go as a "thank you" for that, even he hates her. Of course they could have shown that on screen....but that would be a explanation that works for me.
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she battles some villains at night and then comes back to her beloved for the breakfast.
Ha-ha! I agree that the dark atmosphere does not lend itself well to happy relationships, but that doesn't mean that no/bad relationships is the only way to ensure character angst. After all, nothing but bad luck gets tedious after a while (oh, look, Kate's found another girlfriend, how many episodes will this one last? Blech!). And I seriously doubt that the woman that Kate ends up with is going to be the sit-at-home-and-wait-for-that-phone-call kind of partner. I mean, look at Sophie and Julia - both very strong women and very capable of taking care of themselves. This woman is going to be an active member of the Bat-team, with all the pitfalls that that entails. ;)

RE: Alien Encounters - you have a really good point there about the "realistic" nature of the show. And you're right, it would change the nature of the show, but I guess I wasn't so much thinking of Batwoman battling a White Martian, as acknowledging that aliens and meta-humans are there in Gotham, and maybe an occasional appearance as a minor character, not the main villain.

It would be pretty normal that he would let her go as a "thank you" for that, even he hates her.
Yes and no. For most people, sure. But for Jacob, I think he's too much of a stickler to the letter of the law. Even tho he had just admitted that he hated the Bat symbol because not blaming it for Gabby and Beth's deaths meant blaming himself, I don't think Jacob would have been so overwhelmed with guilt/shame/emotion that he would have compromised his principles to let Batwoman walk out of the room. Dramatically, it was a good place to end the scene, and they did just have a fight scene, so I understand why they didn't show us what happened next, but , personally, I'm gonna go with Batwoman ducking out the back door to the Judge's chambers while the Crows came in from the main hall.
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I would like to see them adapt some of the stuff from the 52, the Crime Bible, and Renee.

Obviously it would have to be adapted to be from Kate's perspective instead of Renee's. And changes to make Kate less of a damsel would be required. They could change the cultists from being werewolves and stuff, to just being human cultists.

It's pretty much where the modern Batwoman was introduced, so some reference to it would be cool. Although the character is much improved from that introduction:

Where she was, although still the vigilante known as Batwoman, rather the more traditionally feminine damsel for Renee to ultimately rescue.

I haven't seen all of the early Kate Kane appearances, but there seemed to have been a pattern back then of her getting abducted and rescued (which extended to DC Universe Online, where players rescued her not only from the cultists in one mission, but also from the Scarecrow in another mission), until things eventually changed for the better.


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Well, judging from the trailer for the next episode.......there will be some more "Jacob VS Batwoman" scenes like I wished for here. That was quick.... :o ;)
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Well, judging from the trailer for the next episode.......there will be some more "Jacob VS Batwoman" scenes like I wished for here. That was quick.... :o ;)


Fighting her dad is very much of the Tynion run in Detective Comics a few years back.

Up until that point Kate had a pretty good relationship with her father, in the comics. A lot of fans hated how Jacob became an antagonist, and really didn't like how Kate was put in a position to choose between her father or cousin (of course she chose Batman initially).

I thought it was a fun few arcs, but the whole deal of her relatives manipulating her and trying to control her bothered me somewhat. I know they are doing that with Alice on the show, but Alice is a super-villain whereas Jacob and Bruce are not. Oh well, at least she did rebel against them both and then leave, her reaction was a bit too stoic for my taste though.

After all that she goes off on some solo adventures, and later teams-up with Renee (last I've seen of her guest appearances in current continuity she is still teaming with Renee). And still shows-up to Bat-Family events when the whole Bat-Fam needs to make an appearance for whatever reason.

Wish they'd do something with her again in the comics.

I'm waiting for TV Batwoman to get drugged, here is why:

Both solos in the comics have parts where she gets dosed with something, this even happens in DC Universe Online - the character has a history of getting drugged, so they've gotta do it with the TV series. First 'Tec run, an unnamed hallucinogen Alice doses her with. First solo, fear-toxin. Later in the run Wolf-Spider doses her another unnamed hallucinogen. Second solo, enhanced fear-toxin. DC Universe Online, fear-toxin again.
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1. I have been all for The World Finest with Supergirl since it was teased on Elseworlds.

2. Red Alice

3. Batwoman meets Oracle.... If Batman killed Joker, as suggested, could the rage driving him to kill Joker have been triggered by killing Catwoman and/or paralyzing Barbara Gordon? If so, maybe Bruce left Gotham to care for Helena Kyle,if she exists in this iteration and Barbara becomes Oracle.

4. More Kate and Reagan... Perhaps Kates finds a way to forgive Reagan. After learning Magpie is Reagan's sister, Kate may better understand Reagan's actions and can move past it. Provided the new actress has chemistry with Reagan.

5. Luke and Mary slowly become an unlikely couple.
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