Now that we have official confirmtion that they are indeed writing Kate Kane out of the show and bringing in a completely new character to take on the mantle of Batwoman, I have a few thoughts on the change in character dynamics.
On the one hand, I appreciate that they are honoring Ruby's legacy by not recasting the character of Kate. And since Ruby left on apparently good terms, I hope they leave the story open for Kate to make a appearance or three in the future, and not just kill her off. I just hope they come up with a really good reason for Kate leaving and not something lame like, she couldn't handle that her father hates Batwoman - not something the Paragon of Courage would throw in the towel for.
With Kate out of the picture, I kind of see it less likely that Alice will become Red Alice - without the impetus of working along side her twin sister, does she have enough of a moral compass to make that transition on her own? Maybe if Kate disappears before she has her chance to exact her revenge, she'll go after whoever she thinks is responsible, and inadvertently become a hero? And it seems to me that Alice never considered Batwoman a threat. But with someone other than her sister wearing the batsuit, I can see the Batwoman/Alice dynamic becoming much more antagonistic this next season. Without Mouse, Alice is now completely on her own. And if she can't have her revenge on Kate (and no Kate to help draw out the good in her), I think she's going to become a lot more dangerous.
And then there's Safiyah. She's been gunning for Batwoman. And she's pissed at Alice for betraying her. So, the enemy of my enemy is my Bat-friend? Maybe Alice will have to team up with the new Batwoman to stop Safiyah?
What about the rest of the Bat-team? I don't see Luke being written out - he's the one with all the Bat-tech secrets. Altho, I do see his becoming Batwing happening sooner than later as a result of this change. Perhaps this will open it up to bring Parker in full time to take over Luke's duties in the bat-cave?
And since we absolutely cannot loose the Mary-Luke dynamic (which I think will become even more fun once Luke becomes Batwing), I think Mary will put herself in the role of big sister to "Ryan" and try to smooth out some of the rough edges that they've hinted at in the character description.
Jacob, of course, will continue down his dark obsession to kill Batwoman, and it's going to get him in trouble at some point. I can almost see him going rogue and bordering on becoming a villain. But I also see that without Kate, I think he'll be more of a thorn in the Bat-team's side and we'll see less of him in general.
It seems to me that Sophie's main purpose on the show was to create some sexual and emotional tension for Kate. With Kate gone, I don't know... maybe she'll be the only thing that keeps Jacob from completely dragging the Crows down the road to police state?
Julia is Alfred's daughter, so she'll always have a place in the Bat-family, and personally, I think she needs to be on the team permanently. But I have a feeling that she'll be an on-again-off-again character. Given her happy-go-lucky attitude, I think she'll get along great with "Ryan".
So, them's my thoughts. Anyone else?
Glad that the title of this thread is wrong after all. 
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 61
I just hope that WB can finally get their act together some day and do a DCEU Batwoman movie with Kate in the lead role.
It would be the one silver lining to this whole disaster.
It would be the one silver lining to this whole disaster.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 62
I just hope that WB can finally get their act together some day and do a DCEU Batwoman movie with Kate in the lead role.
It would be the one silver lining to this whole disaster.
You should listen to your own advice.
Practically nothing from you during season 1 as Kate was still there.
Then you complained about the new character.
Now Kate Kane is back and you still complain even you don't know what will happen to her or how they portray her.
You don't watch the show (anymore), you don't like the show.....so why are you here?
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- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 63
Whatever. I’m entitled to feel however I want to about these disrespectful decisions the writers have made. At this point, I’ve honestly just been disappointed too many times to even care anymore.
The real Batwoman (Kate Kane) will live on in other forms of media in the future. And I will take comfort in that. But the show is pretty much dead to me now.
The less I know about it the happier I will be.
The real Batwoman (Kate Kane) will live on in other forms of media in the future. And I will take comfort in that. But the show is pretty much dead to me now.
The less I know about it the happier I will be.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 64
Whatever. I’m entitled to feel however I want to about these disrespectful decisions the writers have made. At this point, I’ve honestly just been disappointed too many times to even care anymore.
The real Batwoman (Kate Kane) will live on in other forms of media in the future. And I will take comfort in that. But the show is pretty much dead to me now.
The less I know about it the happier I will be.
You keep claiming disrespect, so I have some questions for you:
Was it disrespectful to give the role of Batman to Dick Grayson?
What about giving the role of The Flash to Wally West and the role of Green Lantern to Kyle Rayner?
Or what about giving the role of Batgirl to Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain or the role of The Question to Renee Montoya?
If you can't or won't allege disrespect in all of these examples, you don't have a legitimate argument in alleging disrespect in regards to Ryan Wilder being given the role of Batwoman.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 65
Even I'm tired of this topic I just have to reply.
Most shows lose viewers during a season. Especially compared to the season premiere.
Also, these are the TV ratings. And this is the CW, which is basically a streaming service. So the TV ratings are like the numbers of fax machines sales ...outdated ...
Unfortunately, it doesn't make it any less true. Most fans on fan sites across they web were very supportive of a recast of Ruby Rose as Rose wanted to leave. However, most if the same fans were opposed to replacing Kate Kane with another character. Many said they would not watch and they haven't. I have notice the absence of several loyal season 1 posters evens on this site. I am sticking with the show but I am a Kate Kane loyalist.
Most shows lose viewers during a season. Especially compared to the season premiere.
Also, these are the TV ratings. And this is the CW, which is basically a streaming service. So the TV ratings are like the numbers of fax machines sales ...outdated ...
Unfortunately, it doesn't make it any less true. Most fans on fan sites across they web were very supportive of a recast of Ruby Rose as Rose wanted to leave. However, most if the same fans were opposed to replacing Kate Kane with another character. Many said they would not watch and they haven't. I have notice the absence of several loyal season 1 posters evens on this site. I am sticking with the show but I am a Kate Kane loyalist.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 66
A what if "Wallis could like as Batwoman" picture that I found elsewhere online... I don't see see that happening this season, if ever, but here it is...
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 67
A what if "Wallis could like as Batwoman" picture that I found elsewhere online... I don't see that happening this season, if ever, but here it is...
Yeah, that picture among others surfaced last year in May already as her name was mentioned quite often.
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Regarding the ratings and loyal Kate Kane fans:
Will be interesting to see how the ratings will react to the Wallis Day casting. She has quite a fellowship on social media and I expect many of those fans to start watching the show.
Also, some of the Kate Kane loyalists might now tune in as she is back on screen. Even she is now "changed"....
I understand Kate Kane loyalists like you that wanna see her on the show but also are open-minded enough to watch the show anyhow. That's good.
Some, however, are real fanatics....that refuse to tune in, even there are still all the other characters + a new character must not be bad news, even if you love the original.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 68
It appears the Subject Line here has changed, as season 2 will have Kate Kane. I think this will please most Batwoman fans.
I suspect KK fans, more than not, will accept Wallis as Kate. There will be detractors. But, this will be an "altered" Kate, suffering from head trauma and, it appears, manipulated by Enigma and Black Mask. I also suspect we have not seen the last of Safiyah. When she discovers Kate is alive, she could very well seize on the opportunity to use Kate, as well as Ocean, against Alice. This story line will play out through the remainder of this season. I see another ratings drop coming when the show moves to its new time slot, but perhaps some Legends fans not currently watching will stick around and some Kate Kane fans return...
Hopefully, the plan us to keep Wallis/Kate for season 3. Once Kate is rescued, assuming she is rescued, Kate may very well be suffering from PTSD and the effects of brainwashing, requiring counseling/therapy to bring her back. It could be a powerful plot device if they go they route and get Wallis something to sink her teeth into and easily incorporate her friends and family. I can even envision a heart-to-heart between Kate and Ryan. Ryan possibly offering to step back from the Batsuit and Kate telling her that with what she's been through, she trusts Ryan more with the Batsuit than herself. I do eventually want Kate back as Batwoman and I still think Ryan needs her own superhero identity. It may not work out this way, but it is possible to keep Kate Kane as a driving force within Batwoman, even if Ryan is in the suit.
I suspect KK fans, more than not, will accept Wallis as Kate. There will be detractors. But, this will be an "altered" Kate, suffering from head trauma and, it appears, manipulated by Enigma and Black Mask. I also suspect we have not seen the last of Safiyah. When she discovers Kate is alive, she could very well seize on the opportunity to use Kate, as well as Ocean, against Alice. This story line will play out through the remainder of this season. I see another ratings drop coming when the show moves to its new time slot, but perhaps some Legends fans not currently watching will stick around and some Kate Kane fans return...
Hopefully, the plan us to keep Wallis/Kate for season 3. Once Kate is rescued, assuming she is rescued, Kate may very well be suffering from PTSD and the effects of brainwashing, requiring counseling/therapy to bring her back. It could be a powerful plot device if they go they route and get Wallis something to sink her teeth into and easily incorporate her friends and family. I can even envision a heart-to-heart between Kate and Ryan. Ryan possibly offering to step back from the Batsuit and Kate telling her that with what she's been through, she trusts Ryan more with the Batsuit than herself. I do eventually want Kate back as Batwoman and I still think Ryan needs her own superhero identity. It may not work out this way, but it is possible to keep Kate Kane as a driving force within Batwoman, even if Ryan is in the suit.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 69
@kdogg87 & @CatPat
The CW is committed to diversity, which is a GOOD thing, but for better or worse, diversity clearly trumps comicbook canon in the case of who suits up as Batwoman. Caroline Dries has made it clear that Ryan is the new Batwoman, despite Kate's return. As much as some of us may question, dislike, disagree, or flat out vehemently oppose this idea, I doubt she's going to change her mind. So, alas, I very much doubt Kate will ever wear the batsuit again, at least not in this Arrowverse.
Ryan's character as portrayed does not at all match up to the description that Caroline put out there! She does not have the presence to carry the lead, and she's not convincing as a superhero. She fits better as a support character of an ensemble cast - second string, occasional focus, not on every episode. In fact, I think her character would fit in better on Flash or Riverdale than Batwoman. I don't dislike Ryan, but she is towards the bottom of the list of characters I want to see more of.
I was ready to give up on the show after ep#207. I love Alice, but, yeah, it's hard watching a show where you don't groove with the lead. Waiting for Wallis is really the only thing keeping me watching right now. I think between Ruby leaving and the writer's having to scrap the stories they'd planned and redo everything, and the pandemic, the first half of the season suffered greatly. The last four episodes seem to be a little better - maybe the writers are getting their groove back? Or maybe now that they're over the (forced) Ryan-origin-story, they can move on?
I do very much like the character of Kate Kane, even identify with her in some respects, and admire her for her courage. As long as she's in the show, and continues to carry that mantle of Paragon of Courage, and is suiting up and kicking ass (even if it's not as Batwoman, alas), and Wallis does her justice (and I have every confidence that she will), I'm gonna stick with the show. But, honestly, if Kate doesn't stay, I very much doubt I will either. Not as long as Ryan is the lead.
The CW is committed to diversity, which is a GOOD thing, but for better or worse, diversity clearly trumps comicbook canon in the case of who suits up as Batwoman. Caroline Dries has made it clear that Ryan is the new Batwoman, despite Kate's return. As much as some of us may question, dislike, disagree, or flat out vehemently oppose this idea, I doubt she's going to change her mind. So, alas, I very much doubt Kate will ever wear the batsuit again, at least not in this Arrowverse.
Ryan's character as portrayed does not at all match up to the description that Caroline put out there! She does not have the presence to carry the lead, and she's not convincing as a superhero. She fits better as a support character of an ensemble cast - second string, occasional focus, not on every episode. In fact, I think her character would fit in better on Flash or Riverdale than Batwoman. I don't dislike Ryan, but she is towards the bottom of the list of characters I want to see more of.
I was ready to give up on the show after ep#207. I love Alice, but, yeah, it's hard watching a show where you don't groove with the lead. Waiting for Wallis is really the only thing keeping me watching right now. I think between Ruby leaving and the writer's having to scrap the stories they'd planned and redo everything, and the pandemic, the first half of the season suffered greatly. The last four episodes seem to be a little better - maybe the writers are getting their groove back? Or maybe now that they're over the (forced) Ryan-origin-story, they can move on?
I do very much like the character of Kate Kane, even identify with her in some respects, and admire her for her courage. As long as she's in the show, and continues to carry that mantle of Paragon of Courage, and is suiting up and kicking ass (even if it's not as Batwoman, alas), and Wallis does her justice (and I have every confidence that she will), I'm gonna stick with the show. But, honestly, if Kate doesn't stay, I very much doubt I will either. Not as long as Ryan is the lead.
- more than a month ago
- Batwoman.tv General
- # 70
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